Some of you need to go back into your caves and stay there

...and this is why I don't bother with them anymore. More money, less drama, less heartache and annoyance/anger.

sad but true I think everybody's boundaries should be respected but girls can be quite hurtful to men in some ways too just differently we all have feelings and sometimes we don't think of other people's feelings I don't think we mean to but unfortunately we don't think sometimes. Porn is a fantasy pure escapism just like sites like this one and I for one wouldn't like to bring it into my real life relationships the bottom line is we should respect eachother and if men want to be sexually liberated we should respect women's sexuality. Sex is not dirty but people unfortunately can be this is why sex will always be a taboo subject until we all decide to respect every individual for who they are and just condemn sexual harassment in all its forms without been ridiculous about it.

Some people will think that way, some won't. Like in every other specific situation. Some girls do dress to be provocative, yet don't like the attention they gain, only from certain guys that they like. Yes, it's wrong to put a girl in a nasty situation, but it happens.

I box, nothing professional, I just box. I don't wear my boxing gear or any boxing specific attire when I'm not boxing or training, as it will draw attention to the fact that I box, which in turn causes some people to want to knock me out, just because I box. Same can be said for females wearing certain clothes.

This is the human mindest, sadly.

unfortunately we all know someone like that who just see women as objects I know some women will like attention from some men and not from others but that's their prerogative. I'm someone who likes women because they can make you look at things from a point of view that you wouldn't otherwise necessarily think of but some women can be insensitive and unthinking just like some men can be, so it's just up to the rest of us to get on with it. If some men are just woman haters and some women are man haters then that's up to them so just leave them to it.

Yet, here we are to get off to pics and discuss our fantasies regarding women, so we're all hypocrites by that token

Your boxing analogy is a great way to put it.

I box, nothing professional, I just box. I don't wear my boxing gear or any boxing specific attire when I'm not boxing or training, as it will draw attention to the fact that I box, which in turn causes some people to want to knock me out, just because I box. Same can be said for females wearing certain clothes.

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Interesting discussion. I have daughters in their early twenties. Beautiful, slim but they never dress to impress. They have their crowd and friends and dress accordingly. They are way more intimidated by older men trying to chat then up or compliment them. In fact, we watched a program about social standards and my daughters both agreed a middle aged man was more scary than a tatted up Punk of their own generation.

Thank you!

As a guy in my early 40's, older men will always look at younger women, they are easier on the eye than the vast majority of older women. Women my age do nothing for me, but there are always exceptions. Younger women tend to show more flesh due to media influence from 'celebs' etc. Sad, really. At least your kids have a good head on their shoulders. You should see some of the skanks in my town on a night out

One very disturbing thing that grainne brought up in one of her comments and none of us commented on it myself included was about men harassing her when she was about ten and from what she said it happened fearly often this was disturbing I don't know how or where it happened but if there were adults around they should have put a stop to it and reported the men for doing it and then we jump on our high horses and call out the church or TV people for not reporting it and yet this harassment that happened to poor grainne could have turned into something much worse and yet went unheeded people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones never a truer word said.

I remember when I was young I suffered from an illness that involved alot of hospital stays and student nurses used work on the wards at the time some of them just a few years older than me and not long out of school and some of the things some of the older men used to say to them were absolutely discusting while the younger men tried to be civilised. Having said that alot of them were pure gentlemen and thankfully I always treat women of all ages with respect. But it's a sad fact of life our daughter's and their friends are far more likely to be groped and have dirty comments made to them by old fellows like us than by fellows their own age and let's face it we all look when we see a nice girl with a tight low cut top or short skirt that's just the nature of the beast and as long as we leave it at that and don't lare and make them uncomfortable than that's no harm