So if the personal replies I've been getting are correct, my thread has been deleted because it had to do with masturbation with my siblings when I was younger. Of course no moderator would have the courtesy to let me know that. I wasn't advocating sex with anyone. I wasn't saying that what I did with my family memebers was right or wrong and I wasn't talking about sex with children. The siblngs I masturbated with were all over 18 at the time.
This site, like so many others, pretends to be open, helpful and accepting of liberal (in the social, not political sense) thinking, but in reality isn't that at all. By limiting what we're allowed to discuss and shutting down open and enlightening dialog, how are we to understand and help each other? How can we become accepting of each other?
I've always been taught that knowledge is good. The more knowledge we have and share, the better for society as a whole. Even if that knowledge is offensive to some or makes us uncomfortable. How can we, as a community learn from each other, help each other and/or solve problems if we're not allowed to discuss uncomfortable, and yes, often offensive subjects openly and without shame or fear?
one of the PMs I received said that......
"It looks like we're going to be living in an atmosphere of knee jerk conservatism and selective "acceptance" of any sexual behaviors not endorsed by the Sarah Palins of this country. "We've come a short way, baby!"
Just my fucking luck, looks to me like the Sarah Palins are running this website.

Incest discussions are not welcome here, plain and simple.

She wasn't discussing incest to my understanding. All she mentioned was that she used to masturbate alongside her siblings (no touching involved). And apparently majority of the people on this forum have probably done this when they were younger.

I'm sorry but we, and the people that run our chat server, both draw the line at sexual interactions with family members. It is not a topic that is welcome here. I'm sorry, but this is not up for discussion, it just is not allowed here. Thank you.

Please review the Terms of Service.

1. Acceptance of Agreement

When you complete the member registration process and/or login to the chatroom and/or make use of any service on this site, you agree to this Agreement. This Agreement may be updated from time to time. We will notify you of any significant updates by presenting you with an alert that describes the changes. Your continued use of our services signifies your acceptance of the changes. This Agreement will always be available to users on this page for you to read.

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5. Prohibited Topics

Posts, stories or chatroom discussion about but not limited to illegal activity, incest, sexual acts with those under the age of 18 (pedophilia), bestiality or child pornography are strictly prohibited. It is the discretion of the JackinChat staff as to what topics violate this policy based on the context of the reference.

Sadly, it's a litigious society. I think most of us here are pretty open minded. I know I am.

Sadly, it only takes one person to become "offended" and use the law against sites such as this.

A good friend of mine lost his job about a year ago because he was caught looking at "porn" at work. Turns out it was not nudity, but women in bikinis, which we all know is not porn, but he was terminated anyway because the woman who saw him pitched a fit and the company was afraid of litigation.

Well i agree with Ben, any sort of incestuous behaviour is not normal - its sick probably. There are enough sexual topics to get us goin without this.

You make a very good point about the PRECEPTION of improprietary...and the correspoinding threat of litigation, compared with a reasonable interpretation of the actual content of the material in question. This is indeed a litigious society.

And our moderators have a right and a DUTY to police the content of this site as they, and the administrator, see fit.

That said, this site is unusually restrictive (for an adult website) about underage references and incest. They commonly disallow discussions about incest, for example, which do not come close to meeting the actual legal definition of the word in any jurisdiction.

In general, many adult-orientated websites are much more tolerant of perfectly legal material which might nevertheless be misinterpreted by a fanatic who is bent on litigation. For example, the discussion in this thread about non-touching masturbation among adult (over age 18 ) siblings would never be a problem in most adult sites on the internet.

I'm sorry, but when are discussions about underage activities or fantasies ever acceptable in a sexual environment?

Is it that much to ask that we don't talk about sexual relations with family members here?

In my comment, I actually made a point of referring to ADULT (over 18 ) individuals.

And then, I would point out that masturbation activities among teenage boys in a family is a very common occurrence, and very often is the first....or among the first....masturbation experiences for a boy. So, it's not unusual that a person might mention it on a masturbation website....without having any improper intent.

But your question is whether it's too much to ask that we don't talk about it. It's certainly not too much to ask. The rules don't allow it, and it's your responsibility to enforce the rules. I'm just suggesting that when it comes up, it's not necessarily the action of an evil pedophile. It's just gonna naturally get mentioned when guys are talking about early masturbation experiences.

You do a great job Ben of maintaining an orderly adult-oriented website. And if people want somewhat less restrictive places to post and chat, those places are certainly available elsewhere on the internet.

Hardrocker, I definitely understand what you are trying to say. I'm sure there are plenty of people that have early masturbation activities with a family member. The problem with bringing it here is, and I'm speaking for witnessing far too much from it, is it is rarely innocent talk. It turns into fantasy about very inappropriate things, from underage fantasy/roleplay to hardcore incest roleplays.

I'm not trying to say that everyone that has experiences growing up like that will do the evil things I listed, but speaking from experience of being on here for many years, very often those evil things do come up.

We have to take a stand somewhere on it, so that is why we have it in our Terms of Service that it is not allowed here.

I know that it may seem like censorship, and honestly it is. When we developed this site 10 years ago, we did not want it to be a free-for-all, anarchy-rules type place. A place like that does not last and is not as successful as we are.

This person should not have been looking at that or any site that is not job related...so many people think they can use the work computer for their pleasure...the computer is part of the work place, owned by their employer...same as if the employer wants to put detection equipment on the computer to monitor sites...it is their right to do so...

You also said...



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While not a mod for the site itself, as a mod in the chat room, please allow me to draw a parallel.

In the "pornjackers" chat room, designed for sharing links to pics & video clips, there was someone posting pics the other day that we had to ask to stop, because the girl in them had a very young look. As I said to the person posting those pics, while there's a very good chance that the model was of legal age, and hired specifically because of her young look, at the end of the day, it's the chat server owners' behinds on the line if something goes sour over truly underage images.

He posted another, asking if it was acceptable. Same kind of content. At that point, I said that it's like a school or business dress code: if you need to ask if something's appropriate under the rules, then it's probably best to assume that it isn't.

And that same sort of philosophy extends to the site here. I don't think anyone's even trying to suggest that if someone were to post, say, as you suggest, their first masturbatory experience was with a family member that they're, to use your words, "evil pedophiles." However, there are rules of the road in place for the site to make it appeal to as broad an audience as possible, while still remaining within the bounds of legality and (relative ) good taste. We all agreed to abide by those rules when we signed up here. Someone getting upset because their proverbial feet were held to the fire for not abiding by them is, at the very least, just a bit silly.

Well yes Rod, I made those two statements you quoted. And your point is exactly what? That they are improper, or contradictory, or what? Anyway, I'll take this opportunity to respond to your implied criticism.

You will note that I DID make a point of specifically referring to ADULT (over 18 ) individuals at one point in my comments.

And yes, I did say that this site is unusually restrictive (for an adult website) about underage references and incest. I believe that to be the case.

By way of further explanation, when I spoke of "underage references", I meant just that...REFERENCES. Such as a simple REFERENCE to a first time masturbation experience at the age of 12.

My use of the term "incest," as I clearly explained in my comment, was referring to something like non-touching sibling masturbation....such as between two young brothers. I specifically made the point that such a thing would seldom be considered incest in any legal sense. But on this website, our mods would probably consider it incest and ban the discussion. On many other adult websites, it would be an acceptable issue for discussion, and would be allowed. THAT was my point.

Ben clearly understood these comments and was very thoughtful to reply to my posts as he did. I found his comments interesting and informative.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, let me say that I accept without reservation the Terms of Service of this website and the responsibility of our moderators and administrators in interpreting them.

But Rod, let me also say that I do resent your clear implication that my discussion of "underage references" in a discussion about the Terms of Service of this and other forums, was in some way improper or inappropriate.

No such implication was intended.

I did, however, get the impression of a bit of a contradiction in your two statements; first stating your impression that the site is "restrictive" in regards to "underage references" (with a tone that, to me, seemed critical of such a stance) then going on to say in the later post that you'd "made a point of referring to ADULT (over 18 ) individuals" (which came across to me as an across-the-board statement...along the lines of, "I never said anything about underage.".

If I misunderstood your intent, my apologies. It sounds like we may both have fallen victim to misunderstanding, in that case.

For the record, I've seen...hell, I've made...passing reference to my first mutual experience being...well, given the nature of this conversation, let's just say it was below the legal age of consent...with no resulting hand-slap. Not sure if it was wise of me to do so or not. There most definitely could have been a slippery slope from that point. At any rate, the TOS specifically prohibits discussion of "sexual acts with those under the age of 18," to cover one of the sticking points we're discussing. Perhaps similar clarification of the term "incest" as it applies to the site's subject matter might be beneficial?

And, while we're on the subject of clarification, the final sentence of my previous post could certainly use some clarification...it was made with the original poster, sweetmelissa, in mind, and that, without a doubt, is not clear in the post.